Shamanic practices are the hallmark of the Dreamspeaker Tradition. They are an incredibly diverse group that represents an incredible number of cultures from across the globe who all understand that Mankind’s relationship with the Spirit World is what makes magic possible. Inspired by this thread ( forum/the-classic-world-of-darkness/mage-the-ascension/. I like both Akashic Brotherhood and the Dreamspeakers but honestly I Really Mage could use a “how to incorporate real world traditions” into.

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I have a player, who wants as a concept, to play a Slavic Neo-Pagan. So, he has trouble with choosing between Verbena and Dreamspeakers. Verbena looks like an obvious choice, been “Neo Pagans” and all that. The troube with it – nothing written in their Tradbooks really corresponds to the Slavic Paganism.

Besides, that player wants a way to commune with gods and spirits i. But Dreamspeakers “as written” are either loners, or just “shaman copypasta”, not to mention, that according to their Rev.

Tradbook there are no more “European” Dreamspeakers. I, honestly, don’t know what to say to him. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter – paradigm is more important than the dreamspfakers written under Tradition on your character sheet. Or maybe its a Cult of hedge-mages and he is the first of them to awaken and tries to fit his beliefs into the Verbena-Paradigm. He might even take the adversary background “apprentice” if he tries to get mor slavic neopagans into the ranks of the awakened.


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To my mind, the question is less “does the character want to deal with spirits” and more “what does the character think magic is for? How does the character relate to others? They don’t have to be healers, necessarily, but life is their venue – a Verbena- rodnover might create nage sacred space for the revival of ancient arts, commune with dreamspeakdrs gods for wisdom and guidance, and initiate new acolytes.

Dreamspeaker-stories are about liminality; a dreamspealers is typically an outsider and being a shaman is a painful burden. The shaman is an intermediary, not entirely in either world; the “shamanic” Slavic pagan is probably more immediately, intimately, and often painfully tied to their gods. They serve the community but they’re not a part of it, their “gift” alienates them from the normal world.

Dreamspeaker – Reality Deviants ~ A Mage: The Ascension Story

Like, if the Verbena are about making and preserving sacred spaces for the gods to inhabit, the Dreamspeaker’s internal world is a god-haunted sacred space.

I don’t know if that gets my point across very well. If you’ve looked at the Tradbook you probably already spotted this, but the Gardeners of the Tree are the Verbena faction that preserves the “Old Ways”, so if the character’s from a traditionalist revival movement, that’s where they’d find peers who likewise rigorously adhere to ancient forms. The Gardeners also preserve some of the hereditary focus of the Verbena’s predecessors in the Old Faith, so if the character’s from a long line of practitioners, they may have a family tie here perhaps a remote one – “I knew your grandfather” or etc.


The Gardeners are the least-Neo of the Verbena pagans, as dreamspakers about continuity and preservation dreamspeakets tend towards Pattern Essences.

I attack people with giant insects both on and off the court. It might be worth checking out Dead Magic II if you can.


Not the best book ever, but actually has a whole section on European shamanism. Though it seems like they dropped the “how to put these in different Traditions” section, the Norse section right before it did sort of address most of mag salient dreamxpeakers. My general guideline for the difference between Verbena and Dreamspeakers is that the cultures that the proto-Verbena arose from were agrarian in nature and those the proto-Dreamspeakers were not.

It’s not a hard and fast rule and certainly there are groups that cross sides, but in general if your paradigm has a lot to do with the cycles of nature, certain key times of the year, and dreamspeeakers rites and observances you will find more mages who understand where you are coming from in the Verbena, and if your magic is highly situational, adaptive to the local place or time, and possibly intuitive, you will find more common dreaamspeakers with the Dreamspeakers.

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